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					<div class="floatbox"><!--TYPO3SEARCH_begin--><div id="c2977" class="csc-default"><h1 class="G" style="background:url(IMAGES/E07740E39A.PNG) no-repeat;">Donald F. Klein’s reply to Leslie Morey’s comment</h1><p>Dr. Morey's comment is somewhat difficult to follow. (Perhaps my trouble.) At any rate we agree that the tables presented by Dr. Katz present labeling problems. I disagree about the singular importance of NPV (NPP).</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that Dr. Morey did not relabel the 2 x 2 tables from which&nbsp; he derives his indices. With regard to the Hamilton scale my reconstruction is:</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; text-align: justify; line-height:150%; text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; line-height:150%" lang="EN-CA">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>&lt;50%&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; 50% </p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; text-align: justify; line-height:150%; text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; line-height:150%" lang="EN-CA">&lt;</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; line-height:150%" lang="EN-CA"> 20%&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PPV = 25/(25+8) = 0.76 </p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; text-align: justify; line-height:150%; text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; line-height:150%" lang="EN-CA">&gt; 20%&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>&nbsp; 8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NPV = 15/(15+2) = 0.88</p>
<p style="text-align:justify; line-height:150%; text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; line-height:150%" lang="EN-CA">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; </span>Recovery rate 27/50 = 0.54</p>
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<p>Dr. Morey presents an NPP of 90.9% which seems close to my estimate of 0.88, but for such tables there should be no difference at all. Further, I can’t follow the statement“If those non-early responders (on the HAM-D) had all been discontinued early in the trial, only 9.1% of these patients would have ultimately responded by the end of the trial”.&nbsp; </p>
<p>Dr. Morey seems to feel that a NPP approximating 90% justifies discontinuation early. Certainly not in a clinical trial measured by ITT standards. Nor in the clinical case that often bears little resemblance to the study cases.&nbsp; </p>
<p>A close reading of Katz indicates that he was referring to a negative outcome across the range of measurements, rather than on a single measurement, to predict a bad outcome.</p>
<p>Finally, it should be noted that this is a single index and that no confidence limits are shown or suggested. Nor is it clear whether 95% limits or 90% limits, or broader, are in order. </p>
<p>Dr. Morey concludes, “I believe that Dr. Katz is still correct—namely, that a decision to discontinue treatment following the lack of an early response is likely to be correct (based upon these limited data, and on the HAM-D) about 90% of the time.”</p>
<p>In my last discussion of Marty’s statements, it is pointed out that the outcomes, based on his reported Hamilton scale measures can find no significant difference between “&quot;Active drug” and placebo. Therefore, this is a failed trial by FDA standards. Drawing any conclusion from it is most dubious.</p>
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<p>Donald F. Klein<br />March 31, 2016</p></div><!--TYPO3SEARCH_end--></div>
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